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  Time To Put On Your Number 11 Goggles!
« on: December 04, 2011, 04:33:22 PM » by Ken in Berkeley
Why is the number 11 such a special number?

All powers of 11 end in 1:  11, 121, 1331, 14641, etc.
11 is the only prime number with an even number of identical digits.
11 is the smallest prime for which the sum of digits equals the number of digits.
11 is the largest number which is not expressible as the sum of two composite numbers.
11 is the largest known multiplicative persistence.
11 is the smallest strobogrammatic prime number.

There is an 11:11 phenomenon.
http://www.11phenomenon.com

The number 11 is considered to be a Master number in numerology.
http://www.decoz.com/Masternumbers.htm

There is an 11-11-11 movie directed by Darren Lynn Bousman.
http://1111themovie.com

The roots of the word eleven are hidden in the following words:
UNDECUMANI, Roman soldiers from the eleventh Legion
UNDECIREMIS, an ancient Greek or Roman war galley with eleven banks of oars
UNDECAGON, an 11-sided polygon
UNDECILLION, a trillion trillion trillion

Between 1 and 100, there are nine multiples of eleven:  11, 22, 33, 44, 55, 66, 77, 88, 99 and eight numbers whose combined digits equal eleven:  29, 38, 47, 56, 65, 74, 83, 92.  There is a 17% chance that a random number in that range will be a multiple of 11 or a number whose digits add up to 11. 

Words can also have numeric values that add up to eleven.

Rank the letters of the alphabet 1 to 26 as follows:  A = 1, B = 2, C = 3, D = 4, E = 5, F = 6, G = 7, H = 8, I = 9, J = 10, K = 11, L = 12, M = 13, N = 14, O = 15, P = 16, Q = 17, R = 18, S = 19, T = 20, U = 21, V = 22, W = 23, X = 24, Y = 25, Z = 26
 
Then add the digits of the rankings together for the new letter values.  Now, A = 1, B = 2, C = 3, D = 4, E = 5, F = 6, G = 7, H = 8, I = 9, different--> J = 1, K = 2 , L = 3, M = 4, N = 5, O = 6, P = 7, Q = 8, R = 9, S = 1, T = 2, U = 3, V = 4, W = 5, X = 6, Y = 7,  Z = 8 
 
CAT = 6 because (C = 3) + (A = 1) + (T = 2) = 6 
DOG = 17 because (D = 4) + (O = 6) + (G = 7) = 17 
TIGER = 32 because (T = 2) + (I = 9) + (G = 7) + (E = 5) + (R = 9) = 32
ELEPHANT = 36 because (5 + 3 + 5 + 7 + 8 + 1 + 5 + 2) = 36
MONKEY = 29 because (4 + 6 + 5 + 2 + 5 + 7) = 29, 2 + 9 = 11.  Got it?

The number 11 often appears in major news event names, dates, times, places, and other statistics.

9/11,  9 + 1 + 1 = 11, terrorist attack against United States of America
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks

2977 fatalities, 2 + 9 = 11, and 77 (multiple of 11)
1122 WTC victims remain unidentified as of August, 2011 (11 & 22 are multiples of 11)
1631 WTC victims have been indentified as of August, 2011, 1 + 6 + 3 + 1 = 11
411 emergency worker fatalities (ends in 11)
55 military personnel fatalities at Pentagon (55 is a multiple of 11)

Flight 11 crashed into World Trade Center North Tower (multiple of 11)
Flight 77 crashed into Pentagon (77 is a multiple of 11)

The Twin Towers were 110 stories high (multiple of 11)
1    1
1    1
1    1
1    1
1    1
1    1      ...and the tallest "11" on the planet.
1    1
1    1
1    1
1    1
1    1

OSAMA (13) + BIN (16) + LADEN (18) = 47, 4 + 7 = 11, the 9/11 mastermind and terrorist
was killed 121st day (11 x 11 = 121) of 2011, aka May 1st, 2011
ADOLF (20) + HITLER (36) = 56, 5 + 6 = 11, is confirmed dead
66 years prior (multiple of 11), May 1st, 1945,

SADDAM (15) + HUSSEIN (32) = 47, 4 + 7 = 11, former President of Iraq invaded after 9/11

MOHAMED (32) + ATTA (6) = 38, 3 + 8 = 11, Flight 11 hijacker-pilot
HANI (23) + HANJOUR (33) = 56, 5 + 6 = 11, Flight 77 hijacker-pilot

KHALID (27) + SHAIKH (29) + MOHAMMED (36) = 92, 9 + 2 = 11, principal architect of 9/11
 
USA (5) + PATRIOT (36) + ACT (6) = 47, 4 + 7 = 11, passed after 9/11
BLACK (11) + WATER (22) = 33 (multiple of 11), private military company
9/11/1990, George H. W. Bush referenced a New World Order exactly 11 years before 9/11/2001.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread362397/pg1

3/11, or 3/11/11, 9.0 Tohoku Earthquake and Tsunami, Japan's largest earthquake in recorded history
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_T%C5%8Dhoku_earthquake_and_tsunami

3/11/04, Madrid Train Bombings
191 people killed, 1 + 9 + 1 = 11
11-M was popular abbreviation of incident
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings

Las Vegas Indy 300 Crash, 10/16/11
33 year old Indianapolis 500 chanpion Dan Wheldon died (multiple of 11)
11th lap
#77 car (multiple of 11)
1:19 PM, he was airlifted from track to University Medical Center (1 + 1 + 9 = 11)
http://espn.go.com/racing/indycar/story/_/id/7111712/dan-wheldon-dies-following-indycar-crash-vegas

Reno Air Race Crash, 9/16/11
11 people died 
74 year old Jimmy Leeward's P-51 Mustang crashed into crowd, 7 + 4 = 11
47 year old  James McMichael was the 11th victim, 4 + 7 = 11
#177 on side of plane (ends in 77, multiple of 11)
NX79111 tail number (ends in 11) 
Photos just before crash:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2039871/Reno-air-crash-2011-Pilots-chair-broken-moments-impact.html

S&P 500 dropped 6.66% on 8/8/11 (66 and 88 are multiples of 11)
1119.46 was the close, (1 + 1 + 1 + 9 + 4 + 6) = 22 (multiple of 11)
http://bibleprophecytracker.blogspot.com/2011/08/s-500-falls-666.html

President Obama's Assassination, falsely reported on hacked Fox News Twitter account
7/4/11, 7 + 4 = 11
http://www.scribbal.com/2011/07/hackers-take-over-fox-news-twitter-account-post-false-president-obama-assassination-tweets/

Tuscon Shooting
GABRIELLE (44) + GIFFORDS (48) = 92, U.S. Representative injured, 9 + 2 = 11
JARED (20) + LOUGHNER (46) = 66, shooter (multiple of 11)
22 years old (multiple of 11)
1/8/11 shootings, 1 + 8 + 1 + 1 = 11
10:10 AM (ignore "0"s and there is the 11)
9/11/2001,  9 year old victim Christina Green was a 9/11 baby
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Tucson_shooting

San Bruno Pipeline Explosion, 9/9/10  at 6:11 PM
Line 132 of PG&E's pipeline (multiple of 11)
1955 pipe was was 55 years old at time of explosion (multiple of 11)
1.1 magnitude earthquake was what U.S. Geological Survey registered explosion as
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_San_Bruno_pipeline_explosion

Chilean Mining Accident, 8/5/10
33 miners trapped underground for two months (multiple of 11)
121 year old copper-gold mine (11 x 11 = 121)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Copiap%C3%B3_mining_accident

Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill, 4/20/10
110th day of year (multiple of 11)
Exactly 11 years after Columbine High School shootings, 4/20/99
TRANSOCEAN (110) owned Deepwater Horizon and leased to BP (multiple of 11)
11 crewmen killed in explosion 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill

Pandemic H1N1/09, the numbers 1 + 1 + 9 = 11
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic_H1N1/09_virus

KATRINA = 29, hurricane was costliest natural disaster in U.S. history, 2 + 9 = 11
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Katrina

GOLDMAN (30) + SACHS (14) = 44, (multiple of 11)
$550 million SEC penalty, largest ever paid by a Wall Street firm (550, multiple of 11)
http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2010/2010-123.htm
Financial scandals surrounding Goldman Sachs:
http://newworldorderreport.com/News/tabid/266/ID/8057/The-Real-Scandal-at-Goldman-Sachs-The-Stock-Price.aspx
List of Goldman Sachs people in Obama Government:
http://my.firedoglake.com/fflambeau/2010/04/27/a-list-of-goldman-sachs-people-in-the-obama-government-names-attached-to-the-giant-squids-tentacles/

Enron Scandal, on 7/7/04, energy company CEO Ken Lay was charged
11 counts of fraud in a
65 (6 + 5 = 11) page indictment
3:11 AM MDT (7/5/06), Ken Lay was pronounced dead of a heart attack
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron_Scandal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Lay

DIEBOLD = 33 (multiple of 11), company that made controversial voting machines
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacking_Democracy

2000 U.S. Presidential Election,
George W. Bush:  50,456,002 votes, (5 + 0 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 0 + 0 + 2) = 22 (multiple of 11)
        vs. Al Gore:  50,999,897 votes, (5 + 0 + 9 + 9 + 9 + 8 + 9 + 7) = 56, 5 + 6 = 11
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Presidential_Election

USS (5) + COLE (17) = 22 (multiple of 11) bombing
11:18 AM local time (1 + 1 + 1 + 8 = 11)
10/12/2000, remove the zeroes and 1122 remains (multiples of 11)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cole_bombing

Y2K = (7 + 2 + 1 + 1 = 11),  computer apocalypse that didn't happen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y2k
 
WORLD (27) + TRADE (21) + CENTER (29) = 77 (multiple of 11) bombing, 2/26/93
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing

COLUMBINE (40) + HIGH (32) + SCHOOL (27) = 99 (multiple of 11) massacre
110th day (multiple of 11) of 1999, aka 4/20/99, shooting began at 11:19 AM
Exactly 11 years later was BP's oil spill, 4/20/10
9/11/81 was shooter Dylan Klebold's birthday 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre

9/11/1998,  Starr Report released to public
11 possible impeachable offenses of President Clinton
MONICA (28) + LEWINSKY (37) = 65, 6 + 5 = 11, aged 22 (multiple of 11), involved in President Clinton political sex scandal
LINDA (22) + TRIPP (34) = 56, 5 + 6 = 11
PAULA (15) + JONES (18) = 33 (multiple of 11)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starr_Report

OKBOMB = 22 (multiple of 11), Oklahoma City bombing official investigation name
9:02 AM (9 + 0 + 2 = 11), 4/19/95, bombing occurred
Timothy McVeigh, convicted of 11 federal offenses
Executed 6/11/01
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OKBomb 

Space Shuttle Challenger explosion
11:38 AM, 3 + 8 = 11, 1/28/86
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Challenger_disaster

Iran Hostage Crisis, 66 (multiple of 11) American hostages held captive
444 days, (444 ends in a multiple of 11)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis

Robert F. Kennedy Assasination
6/6/68 he died (66 is a multiple of 11)
SIRHAN (33) + SIRHAN (33) = 66 (multiple of 11) was the shooter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy

Martin Luther King, Jr. Assassination
4/4/68 he died, (44 is a multiple of 11)
JAMES (12) + EARL (18) + RAY (17) = 47, 4 + 7 = 11, was the shooter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MLK_assassination

John F. Kennedy Assassination,
11/22/63, (11 & 22 are multiples of 11)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JFK_assassination

Draw your own conclusions about the number 11, be they those of mathematics and chance, numerical vibrations, global conspiracy, or the eternal battle of good vs. evil.

Number References:
http://www.numbergossip.com
http://www.archimedes-lab.org/numbers/Num7_12.html
http://www2.stetson.edu/~efriedma/numbers.html
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  Re: Time To Put On Your Number 11 Goggles!
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2011, 06:56:25 PM » by bobbo
AGAIN with this drivel?

Could you at least STOP at 11 such examples?

Shortcut:  what number does NOT have a mystical mumbo jumbo context?

Meant to be taken with "some" humor---but not too much.
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  Re: Time To Put On Your Number 11 Goggles!
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2011, 08:05:04 PM » by Ken in Berkeley
Sorry, Bobbo, your "drivel" descriptor does not add up.
DRIVEL = (4 + 9 + 9 +4 + 5 + 3) = 34, not a multiple of 11, nor does 3 + 4 = 11 ;)

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  Re: Time To Put On Your Number 11 Goggles!
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2011, 08:10:37 AM » by bobbo
Well, you got me there!
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  Re: Time To Put On Your Number 11 Goggles!
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2011, 09:19:01 AM » by Misanthropic Scott
MONKEY = 29 because (4 + 6 + 5 + 2 + 5 + 7) = 29, 2 + 9 = 11.  Got it?
9/11,  9 + 1 + 1 = 11, terrorist attack against United States of America
OSAMA (13) + BIN (16) + LADEN (18) = 47, 4 + 7 = 11, the 9/11 mastermind and terrorist
ADOLF (20) + HITLER (36) = 56, 5 + 6 = 11, is confirmed dead
SADDAM (15) + HUSSEIN (32) = 47, 4 + 7 = 11, former President of Iraq invaded after 9/11
MOHAMED (32) + ATTA (6) = 38, 3 + 8 = 11, Flight 11 hijacker-pilot
HANI (23) + HANJOUR (33) = 56, 5 + 6 = 11, Flight 77 hijacker-pilot
KHALID (27) + SHAIKH (29) + MOHAMMED (36) = 92, 9 + 2 = 11, principal architect of 9/11
USA (5) + PATRIOT (36) + ACT (6) = 47, 4 + 7 = 11, passed after 9/11
191 people killed, 1 + 9 + 1 = 11
74 year old Jimmy Leeward's P-51 Mustang crashed into crowd, 7 + 4 = 11
47 year old  James McMichael was the 11th victim, 4 + 7 = 11
7/4/11, 7 + 4 = 11
GABRIELLE (44) + GIFFORDS (48) = 92, U.S. Representative injured, 9 + 2 = 11
KATRINA = 29, hurricane was costliest natural disaster in U.S. history, 2 + 9 = 11
65 (6 + 5 = 11) page indictment
MONICA (28) + LEWINSKY (37) = 65, 6 + 5 = 11, aged 22 (multiple of 11), involved in President Clinton political sex scandal
LINDA (22) + TRIPP (34) = 56, 5 + 6 = 11
JAMES (12) + EARL (18) + RAY (17) = 47, 4 + 7 = 11, was the shooter

1 + 1 = 2

All of these examples where we add up digits blah = 47, 4 + 7 = 11, 1 + 1 = 2

Therefore, 2 is the really interesting number on this page.
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  Re: Time To Put On Your Number 11 Goggles!
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2011, 02:39:10 PM » by Obtuser
That portion of this article which assigns a numerical value to letters of the alpabet is pure and utter B.S. Why are these characters in the alphabet in this order and ranking and not some other order thus creating a much different interpretation? This whole exercise is random happenstance, not a scientific algorithym. Please go back and post all of the items which have been excluded because they do not relate to the number eleven or a multiple there of! Then you will get the true picture, with or whitout googles, glasses or contacts! What is the term for this kind of a ruse? NUMEROLOGY ???
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  Re: Time To Put On Your Number 11 Goggles!
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2011, 05:42:06 PM » by Ken in Berkeley
Finally, some Cage Match type responses!

Obtuser, there is nothing random about how the numerical values are assigned to the letters. 

Rank the letters of the alphabet 1 to 26 as follows:  A = 1, B = 2, C = 3, D = 4, E = 5, F = 6, G = 7, H = 8, I = 9, J = 10, K = 11, L = 12, M = 13, N = 14, O = 15, P = 16, Q = 17, R = 18, S = 19, T = 20, U = 21, V = 22, W = 23, X = 24, Y = 25, Z = 26
 
Then just add the digits together.  Now J = 1 instead of 10,  K = 2 instead of 11,  L = 3 instead of 12, all the way up to Z = 8 instead of 26.

 

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  Re: Time To Put On Your Number 11 Goggles!
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2011, 09:16:34 PM » by Ken in Berkeley
Sure Scott, the number 2 would be interesting if it wasn't so small and didn't divide into every other number making it statistically irrelevant. But if 9/11 had happened on February 2nd and flight #2 was the first plane to hit, who knows...

On a completely different point, I  looked at all 32 NFL teams (just to test random names for frequencies of the number 11) and could only find 3 of them using the above word value calculations. 

EAGLES = 22 (multiple of 11)
PANTHERS = 38 (3 + 8 = 11)
RAIDERS = 38 (3 + 8 = 11)

Purely coincidence of course, but the Raiders did win Superbowl 11.
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  Re: Time To Put On Your Number 11 Goggles!
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2011, 05:46:21 AM » by Misanthropic Scott
Sure Scott, the number 2 would be interesting if it wasn't so small and didn't divide into every other number making it statistically irrelevant. But if 9/11 had happened on February 2nd and flight #2 was the first plane to hit, who knows...

On a completely different point, I  looked at all 32 NFL teams (just to test random names for frequencies of the number 11) and could only find 3 of them using the above word value calculations. 

EAGLES = 22 (multiple of 11)
PANTHERS = 38 (3 + 8 = 11)
RAIDERS = 38 (3 + 8 = 11)

Purely coincidence of course, but the Raiders did win Superbowl 11.

2 is the only even prime.

More importantly though, in so many of the numerology calculations above, someone decided to add the digits of numbers like 47 and 74 to get 4+7=11 and 7+4=11. They stopped there. Why??!!? If we're adding up digits, we should do so until we get a single digit answer, kind of like the way the CUSIP check digit works. So, whenever you get 11, you really have 2. That's my point. Stopping when you get to 11 is totally arbitrary. The algorithm, if it can be glorified with the name algorithm, dictates that you add the final digits of the 11 to get 2.

Further, if you look at all the ways they kluged to come up with 11, every multiple, etc. Well, fully 9% (or actually 9.0909090909090909%) of all numbers are multiples of 11. If you then take all numbers that are not multiples of 11 and add their digits to come up with 11 or a multiple of 11, you add another 9%. If the number is high enough to do this repeatedly until you hit an 11, you add 9% each time.

As for percentage of teams that you came up with, you may be interested to know that .909090909090909 * 32 = 2.909090909090909. So, the number you got should be expected. I bet with more fudging, you could have increased the number.


Then, if you're willing to remove the most significant digits from numbers like 477 and 411 and 911 to get the 11 you obviously want, you increase the number of 11s yet further.

Obviously, the person who put this together was merely obsessed with finding 11s whether they existed or not.

Also, I have to agree that the numbering scheme is pretty arbitrary. We have plenty of other ways of assigning values to letters. Consider using the ASCII value or even the EBCDIC value. Either of these would be more interesting for having different values for upper or lower case. Or, consider including 0 as a value. Or, consider numbering the letters from 1 to 26 without adding up the digits.

What about all the cases where the numbers didn't add to 11 that got deliberately not mentioned in this? For example:

74 year old Jimmy Leeward's P-51 Mustang crashed into crowd, 7 + 4 = 11

Ignoring the fact that again this stops when 11 is reached instead of adding 1 + 1 = 2, What about adding up the value of Jimmy Leeward? How about the P-51 Mustang? 51 is neither 11 nor a multiple of 11 nor a number with digits that add to 11. There seem to be a lot of non-11 numbers here. What about the names from the crowd? Are they less important than Jimmy?


« Last Edit: December 07, 2011, 06:04:37 AM by Misanthropic Scott »
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  Re: Time To Put On Your Number 11 Goggles!
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2011, 09:01:32 AM » by Obtuser
Finally, some Cage Match type responses!

Obtuser, there is nothing random about how the numerical values are assigned to the letters. 

Rank the letters of the alphabet 1 to 26 as follows:  A = 1, B = 2, C = 3, D = 4, E = 5, F = 6, G = 7, H = 8, I = 9, J = 10, K = 11, L = 12, M = 13, N = 14, O = 15, P = 16, Q = 17, R = 18, S = 19, T = 20, U = 21, V = 22, W = 23, X = 24, Y = 25, Z = 26
 
Then just add the digits together.  Now J = 1 instead of 10,  K = 2 instead of 11,  L = 3 instead of 12, all the way up to Z = 8 instead of 26.

 

Ken, that is my point exactly. Now if you assign the numerical designation to the letters of the alphabet randomly, say taking a a well shuffled deck of cards to deal out the numbers to the letters, then it will prove my point. There is no relationship to the events or names and dates. It does not follow logically that certain numerals or combinations there of should be a predictor or connector of events. I submit that if you do the card numbering excersize properly, that there will be other so called associations arise from combinations and divisors. It is an exercise in hokus pokus, so notus impressus!
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  Re: Time To Put On Your Number 11 Goggles!
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2011, 09:16:17 AM » by Obtuser
Finally, some Cage Match type responses!

Obtuser, there is nothing random about how the numerical values are assigned to the letters. 

Rank the letters of the alphabet 1 to 26 as follows:  A = 1, B = 2, C = 3, D = 4, E = 5, F = 6, G = 7, H = 8, I = 9, J = 10, K = 11, L = 12, M = 13, N = 14, O = 15, P = 16, Q = 17, R = 18, S = 19, T = 20, U = 21, V = 22, W = 23, X = 24, Y = 25, Z = 26
 
Then just add the digits together.  Now J = 1 instead of 10,  K = 2 instead of 11,  L = 3 instead of 12, all the way up to Z = 8 instead of 26.

 
This just shifted the order along a bit and did not "shake up" the positions. The letters of the Laughabet in mean Alphabet are listed in an irrational order, not logically. It only seems that way since that is all you have ever known! comprenez vous?
If it was logical then it would be far easier to translate into and out of other language's characters, ie. Innuit, Slavic, Sandskrit, and the Oriental languages, etc.
English is one of the youngest languages to evolve, and is characterized by being direct and blunt as compared to other older tongues which are more elaborate, verbose, and ?diplomatic/tasteful. The Innuit language has been around for almost ever, but the written version is only very recently been developed with help from non Indigenous so that it partly mirrors that influence.
I once read somewhere that some scientists believe that the mind thinks in abstract, then translates those ideas into the language you learned on your mother's lap, before it then again translates the ideas/concepts into any other language that the individual knows and is conversant in.
 I cannot be convinced of any numerical correlation that certain numerical combinations or divisors are related unless it can be shown to be equally valid in most other languages. PLEASE TRY!

« Last Edit: December 07, 2011, 09:22:01 AM by Obtuser »
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  Re: Time To Put On Your Number 11 Goggles!
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2011, 11:28:52 AM » by bobbo
Gee Whiz==what a bunch of dopes.  No one can argue that numbers are randomly assigned to numbers to make this "fake science" work any which way someone wants to calculate.

That why Astrology is the only valid investigative tool into the Universe.  I mean, just look up into the Universe and what do you see?  Numbers or alphabets?======NO!!!!!!!!

You see stars.

Idiots.
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  Re: Time To Put On Your Number 11 Goggles!
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2011, 12:18:01 PM » by Misanthropic Scott
Finally, some Cage Match type responses!

Obtuser, there is nothing random about how the numerical values are assigned to the letters. 

Rank the letters of the alphabet 1 to 26 as follows:  A = 1, B = 2, C = 3, D = 4, E = 5, F = 6, G = 7, H = 8, I = 9, J = 10, K = 11, L = 12, M = 13, N = 14, O = 15, P = 16, Q = 17, R = 18, S = 19, T = 20, U = 21, V = 22, W = 23, X = 24, Y = 25, Z = 26
 
Then just add the digits together.  Now J = 1 instead of 10,  K = 2 instead of 11,  L = 3 instead of 12, all the way up to Z = 8 instead of 26.

 
This just shifted the order along a bit and did not "shake up" the positions. The letters of the Laughabet in mean Alphabet are listed in an irrational order, not logically. It only seems that way since that is all you have ever known! comprenez vous?
If it was logical then it would be far easier to translate into and out of other language's characters, ie. Innuit, Slavic, Sandskrit, and the Oriental languages, etc.
English is one of the youngest languages to evolve, and is characterized by being direct and blunt as compared to other older tongues which are more elaborate, verbose, and ?diplomatic/tasteful. The Innuit language has been around for almost ever, but the written version is only very recently been developed with help from non Indigenous so that it partly mirrors that influence.
I once read somewhere that some scientists believe that the mind thinks in abstract, then translates those ideas into the language you learned on your mother's lap, before it then again translates the ideas/concepts into any other language that the individual knows and is conversant in.
 I cannot be convinced of any numerical correlation that certain numerical combinations or divisors are related unless it can be shown to be equally valid in most other languages. PLEASE TRY!

Laughabet!! Good one.

Ken, also note that not all such cyphers start this way. When adding up the CUSIP check digit, the digits 0-9 are assigned the values 0-9. That means A starts at position 10. This would make much more sense. Then, we could really assign a value to something like P-51 Mustang. Oh wait. What about the hyphen? What value should we assign to that? Maybe we should stick with the ASCII values. I'll give up on EBCDIC because ... well ... everyone has given up on EBCDIC by now. Seriously though, doesn't it make sense to assign values to all of the characters we type instead of just the letters? What about other alphabets? Maybe we need to go with unicode to account for international character sets. After all, I'm sure some of these names should be added up using the Arabic character set. Did anyone make the list who should be added up based on a cypher of the Cyrillic alphabet? The inclusion of Y2K where 2 == 2 indicates a good point about starting with A as 10 to allow the digits to maintain their natural value.
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  Re: Time To Put On Your Number 11 Goggles!
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2011, 10:53:38 PM » by Ken in Berkeley
Ok you guys, all of your points are well taken.

Perhaps I should remove my goggles and consider this number 11 obsession to be a bunch of numerology, nothing more, and move on to the next topic.

I leave you with, arguably, the 3 biggest events in United States history over the last 50 years. (And they all scream ELEVEN! - no word addition necessary.) ;)

#1  John F. Kennedy assassination on the 33rd parallel, the 22nd day, of the 11th month of 1963.
#2  Apollo 11 Lunar Landing, 1969.
#3  9/11 terrorist attacks, 2001.





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  Re: Time To Put On Your Number 11 Goggles!
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2011, 07:21:48 AM » by Obtuser
Ok you guys, all of your points are well taken.

Perhaps I should remove my goggles and consider this number 11 obsession to be a bunch of numerology, nothing more, and move on to the next topic.

I leave you with, arguably, the 3 biggest events in United States history over the last 50 years. (And they all scream ELEVEN! - no word addition necessary.) ;)

#1  John F. Kennedy assassination on the 33rd parallel, the 22nd day, of the 11th month of 1963.
#2  Apollo 11 Lunar Landing, 1969.
#3  9/11 terrorist attacks, 2001.

Ken, why did you select only 50 years? and not 55 or 44 or 100 for that matter? That eliminated Pearl Harbour, WW2, Martin Luther King's assassination, the several major Earthquakes [San Franciso & Ankorage], and any of the major human illness pandemics Stateside as welll as World wide amongst the other events of significance.
 Furthermore, items #d 2 & 3 are not fully elevened as 1969 and 2001 are not multiples of 11!
 Finally, you must take and list all of the events that have occurred which are not as well hyped, but have wide ranging implications to the then present time and future of American culture, politics, and impact on how the rest of the World views America. Then rate these items for elevens in their date, time, location, etc. Plus when deciding what to include, as an event of importance, look at the dollar value impact. All of this must show how many items were elevenish and how many were not before concluding if it is statistically significant. I will bet you more than just a cup of coffee there is NO significance beyond random chance that important events are anchored in eleven or multiples thereof!
 Another criticism of what you are proposing is that your age and experiences colors what you tend to include or reject, ie. the older you are influences your overview of history and what imact each event registered. Refer to that item which ECA posted about "where all the money is" and review just the cost of each major war in the past century. I had no idea how vast the cost of WW2 was in relation to all of the other wars and many other items in that spread sheet. I had suspected it, but had never seen an accounting like that before. Furthermore, not all events should be rated in dollar terms. You cannot place a dollar value on any assassination, regardless of how little it changed commerce and trade, plus it is impossible to predict how long or deep the changes any of these events will be viewed into the future.
 Until the study is far more comprehensive and scientific, it remains a bogus theory, not to be considered valid!
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 Plus during and after the next Ice Age, all of this infrastructure around us won't matter squat!

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