I'm finding it a bit hard to say that the U.S. is not a major manufacturer of CO2 anymore. I'd also argue that about a third of China's CO2 is really our CO2 since it is caused by production of goods for the U.S. market.



Click link for larger image: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/31/world-carbon-dioxide-emissions-country-data-co2#zoomed-picture

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2011/02/10/CarbonWeb.pdf

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GOOD way to comment this.

Looks like flooding in Miami might be the "First Sign" of AGW that will cause general recognition?==In our lifetimes.

Side bar in Link has nice interactive map.

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Miami-Has-More-Assets-To-Lose-From-Climate-Change-Rising-Seas-Than-Any-Other-City-New-Study-Says-142720785.html

The solution is simple bobbo. Cities like Calgary and Edmonton need to start planting plum trees to meet the increased demand for prune juice as old folks start moving south to these locations for retirement someplace warm and above sea level.

Ha, ha.  Nice combo of issues there Scotty.  I pretty much stick with apple and orange juice each fresh from their fruit as I ever only want just a taste.  How does one squeeze a prune?  I thought they were all ready?

How does one squeeze a prune?  I thought they were all ready?

I imagine you put your thumb and forefinger together and pinch. Though, using one's butt cheeks might get the juice directly to the desired location.

Seriously though, good question. I have no idea how to get juice from a sun dried plum. Perhaps it's just called that but is really plum juice?

(google break)

Answer, you don't squeeze them.

prune juice  To make your own:    Simmer a mixture of 5 parts water to 1 part prunes for about three hours (if prunes are pitted) or four hours (if prunes have pits), stirring occasionally.  Remove the pits, then puree what's left in a blender or food processor.

The solution is simple bobbo. Cities like Calgary and Edmonton need to start planting plum trees to meet the increased demand for prune juice as old folks start moving south to these locations for retirement someplace warm and above sea level.

Scotty, having been born near, and lived my first 2 dozen years near and in Edmonton, I find it inconceivable for hardly any migrations to take place Southward. Population density to the North of "Admonchuk" falls off to near zilch between there and Moscow, Russia!!!
 Furthermore, besides the latitude, the altitude also being 2K+' combines with the latitude to seriously reduce the effects of climate change. Yes they do grow certain types of Plums, Pears, Choke Cherries, Pin Cherries, Crab Apples, and especially Saskatoons, but not Peaches, Nectarines, Bananas, Oranges, etc. There is a limit to how much frost freedom is possible at both of your mentioned localities! The only Apple which survives out/up there is the Rescue species. Forty Below F. or C. does a number on the less hardy species! Only a part day's drive North to the Oil Sands Patch reveals the ravages of minus 70s in the Winter. It renders the Aspen Poplar trees deformed/misshapen by mid Winter internal explosions when the residual moisture expands.
 One never forgets that sound in the middle of the night as tree trunks explode like cannons! The same occurs out on the big lakes ice cover. It is scary to both feel and hear one of those explosive cracks traveling across a lake or river when the the ice is over 4 feet thick!
 Global Warming may indeed severely modify the Summers and the more central regions of this Planet, but the extremes will remain unless the Planet's orbit is greatly modified!

Obtuser--so do you think the issue is:  Was Scott joking, or only being premature?  My money is on premature by maybe 100 years.  You can read this thread to find out why.......which fairly raises the question:  are Plum trees especially hardy against H2S?

Yes, CHANGE is coming.  You know what change is right?

Obtuser--so do you think the issue is:  Was Scott joking, or only being premature?  My money is on premature by maybe 100 years.  You can read this thread to find out why.......which fairly raises the question:  are Plum trees especially hardy against H2S?

Yes, CHANGE is coming.  You know what change is right?

Booboo, you are trying to be droll! Premature, regardless of whether it is climate or ejaculation, is miss judging the anticipation!
As for location, Cow Town and Ukeyville, are both over 2K' ASL, ultra dry atmospheres, which renders H2S less noxious, since much of the damage from H2S comes from it reacting with H2O to form Sulfurous and Sulfuric Acids, both of which are devastating to plants. Many of the Nat. Gas wells in that Prov. [Alta.] have varying amounts of H2S which is stripped out at or near the wells to recover the Sulfur and save the useful life of the pipes. You can see the huge piles of same from the #2 Highway between these 2 cities, off in the distance to the West. Worse is when Sulfur is burned and forms SO2 gas. That destroys all leaves, animals, and some rocks in it's path. Sudbury, Ont.'s Copper Cliff Nickle smelter was this continent's worst single point emission source until the installation of the scrubbers on the Super Stack during Inco's ownership. That surrounding lands were so bad that the original Astronauts used this landscape to practice walking in their Moonsuits! Fortunately within a decade of that clean up the vegetation and animals, even fish have returned to nearer normal.
Why would Plum trees be more resistant to H2S?  It is a very harsh Chemical. It takes only a few parts per million to put mammals down due to the toxicity to the blood system. First it is an anesthetic to the nose nerves, and second it acts on the Hemoglobin of the blood just like CO [Carbon Monoxide] to form a permanent compound unlike CO2 [Carbon Dioxide] which forms a temporary compound so that it can be transported and expelled by breathing. If anything H2S is worse that CO and quicker!
 Alberta does have a problem with Sulfur compounds emissions as well as other toxics from oil well head flares. It was discovered some time ago that Strontium from these flares was being washed out of the air, falling to the ground, and taken up by grass in lieu of Calcium which is a sister Element in the Periodic Table. This got into the milk of cattle and then humans which was causing cows and women to abort their fetuses. It took some serious work by some very dedicated Scientists to prove this cause and effect relationship to the politicians and the oil companies! Those wells in Central Alberta which have significant Strontium content, can no longer be flared off like in the old days in the Patch!
 Given these problems aside, there are advantages to growing plants/trees in Alberta/Saskatchewan. Once the frost free season arrives, the days get much longer the farther North you are located. During the weeks either side of the 21st of June, in Edmonton, there is less than a full hour of darkness about 02:00 and it is light enough to golf for free on any course that does not have security protection from about 04:00 onwards! [My colleagues on midnight shift did so, but I don't like golf, so did not sneak out of work for a 2 to 2 1/2 hour fix!] So the growing season North of the 54th Parallel is more concentrated even though the frost free time is only from 24th May to Labor Day! In much of that area, the soils are a rich Black Loam, too, until you get up into the Boreal Forests, then it is pretty much just gravel with the occasional Muskeg.
 As for reversing the CO2 atmospheric content rise, it is possible but not economic at this time! If just all transportation internal combustion engines in the world were converted to using H2 and Air, there would be a 2 fold benefit. The drastic reduction in CO2 is obvious, but by using Air not O2 it will make some NH3 as a pollutant, and with the moisture in the air will form dilute Ammonium Hydroxide [NH3O4] which is basic, thus trumping all of the Acid rain problems, and causing the Calcium content of the now neutralized waters of lakes, rivers, and Oceans to precipitate out! Hence this will restore the Coral Reefs, and Crustaceans! BUT IT ALL COSTS MONEY, BUD! And the sources of H2 are likely to have to be from Sun light or Wind fueled electrical hydrolysis!
No, Scott was not joking when it comes to the subject of climate change!

: Misanthropic Scott  March 15, 2012, 02:24:27 PM

The solution is simple bobbo. Cities like Calgary and Edmonton need to start planting plum trees to meet the increased demand for prune juice as old folks start moving south to these locations for retirement someplace warm and above sea level.

Global Warming may indeed severely modify the Summers and the more central regions of this Planet, but the extremes will remain unless the Planet's orbit is greatly modified!

Scott was mostly joking. That said, temps at the poles are increasing far more rapidly than over the rest of the planet. This is forecast to continue. Some spots, such as Europe, will get cooler over the near term. But, overall, the planet is warming faster than at any known point in the history of the planet. And, the warming is and will continue to be greater at the poles.

http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/vis/a000000/a003900/a003901/GISStemp2011dates.m4v

As for population north of Calgary & Edmonton, part of my joke was that there would be more in the near future. Part of it was a little city called Yellowknife, nice city BTW.

Obtuser.  Bravo.  That was very well done.  The drollest post I have ever read.  That sounds sarcastic, but I don't mean it that way.  Its one thing to have a joke explained, another to have it explained in detail, another to have it explained in detail with scientific filigrees.  Were you smiling as you wrote it?  You should have.  It had a comedic element to it while being deadpan serious and accurate?  We should all smile whenever we get the chance?

I'm not even clear anymore if you agree AGW is coming on faster than ever or not?

Here's another wager we could all have:  whether before or after a major event that shows AGW "is here"==will the world for most part take significant action to counteract it?  How much of that action will be curtailment of Carbon Burning vs burning the same amount of Carbon with some kind of offsetting activity?

I've never wanted to live forever ((not really)) but I am ever so curious about what the future will bring.  So many options in that chaos based future.  We can all imagine possibilities.  And thats another bet:  has the future actually been verbalized by anyone or will it be a twist we don't suspect?

I would love to know.

Well, given our track record thus far on doing less than nothing, I'd say we'll wait 'til the last possible minute (or have already done so) and then take up some form of geoengineering. The problem is that we have no test planet on which to experiment. So, when we attempt these geoengineering projects, we have no idea what the side effects will be.

Still, some are recommending that we need to do it right now!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17400804

It is already quite bad out there. Who knows? Perhaps it's true that we need to do this now, even though we don't really know what the side effects will be. It sort of feels like blowing up the tracks and derailing a runaway train before it gets to the city. We may reduce the death toll. But, the suburbs may be destroyed and everyone on the train will die. In this case, we may reduce warming and cause all sorts of other climatic effects that we can't even begin to guess.

No, Scott was not joking when it comes to the subject of climate change!

I may make little jokes about us moving south to fairly northern locales as a joke that most of the population will be living in even farther north places. Pond Inlet is nice. We could also start to build cities on Ellesmere. We could move the major finance capital of the world to Igloolik. Shipping to these places gets easier every year.

But, climate change is genuinely very serious. It does have the likelihood of causing an enormous human die-off and possibly full extinction in the very near future and almost certainly will cause a severe mass extinction, definitely including us, in the slightly less near future. That is, of course, unless we solve the problem. But, we're not really even trying. Instead we want to drill for more oil in the arctic, burn the tar sands and oil shale oil, and of course, keep burning coal like there's no tomorrow ... as there literally won't be.

Rising tides in Norfolk.

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2012/04/climate-change-rising-ocean-threatens-global-cities-norfolk-virginia

Note that the article does state that Norfolk has a double whammy. In addition to the rising seas (5-8 inches so far, globally), Norfolk's land is also sinking. So, they're getting hit harder. And, learning how to deal with that may help others who have to deal with it later. If we learn to deal with it. So far, they're even talking about abandoning parts of the city to the sea.

Norfolk was on tonights "Need to Know" on PBS.  Covered the same material.  Norfolk may be the first town in USA to "abandon" parts of the city due to sea level rise.  Problem is, as the commerical flood insurance programs leave certain areas, so far, the Feds have stepped in to provide market insanity.  May still take a few years to take the progressive position that the government will rebuild your property in a flood only 3-4-5 times before reality takes hold.

We aren't Holland.  USA has plenty of land to retreat to.  Seems we are spending millions out in the Gulf to provide tide barriers for New Orleans?==whatever we are doing--I'm against it.  Move whatever is really needed in New Orleans to Baton Rouge and have done with it.  Let New Orleans return to a swamp camp as god meant it to be.

I wonder why the ocean is rising?