I think by nature of the term "conspiracy" you would have to consider a confession as a small part of any of this...the issue (or conspiracy as it were) is really who was behind which parts and what the ties were among all of the players...no one doubts the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor...but a lot of people have wondered if the US government knew more than it let on...or if they let things unfold, etc...the conspiracy is NOT that the Japanese didn't do the bombing...But, I think it is an easy way to blow off considering some things to just say that they are 'tinfoil hat' people and to ignore EVERY part of the rest of what they say...of course, the danger is that some of this stuff is EXACTLY what the tinfoil hat crowd says...

In the end, it would be nice if the smartest people actually gathered ALL the data...all the evidence...and then even allowed the whack-job theories...and then either disproved them or admitted that they can't be disproven...rather than just throwing things out that don't feel good...

It doesn't help when the US government refuses to release the kinds of evidence (black box tapes, surveillance video tapes from hotel buildings, etc) that could lay to rest a LOT of these theories.  One has to wonder what they ar hiding...not to abuse the "if you don't break the law, why are you afraid of being watched" method.

I dunno...I'm not big on conspiracies (but, clearly ok with rambling posts!), but there are a lot of places that things feel fishy...where it just seems clear someone is hiding something...or making something up...or, well, dodging the answer.

The difference between 911 and Dallas is the number of people that saw the airplanes crash into the WTC. Two planes can be confirmed.

The caving in of the buildings is pure physics. As each floor crashed onto the one beneath it, it added so much stress that that floor too collaped, this chain reaction continued until both building had completely collapsed. The windows blowing out as the building collapsed is from the air on each floor being displaced and escaping the only way it could, out the windows.

If the building had been rigged with explosives, there would have been evidence by such things like WIRES RUNNING THROUGH THE BUILDING, weakened supports, people drilling holes in concrete, etc.

But I shouldn't be too surprised. A lot of people still still believe in the tooth fairy and God created the world in seven days.

When you know, you *know*; and when you don't know, you know what you know.

You cannot understand water if you are a fish, Catherine, until the day a fisherman plucks you out of the water and releases you back in. You then can tell the school of fish that water exists but no one will believe you. They will think you are "crazy". Catherine, you swim in the sea of society. Leave society and its beliefs to see the Truth. *There is* no other way.

Chase your shadow. It will lead you to Light.

david, that has to be the most cryptic post I've read in a long long time. It sounds like you are trying to get her to take the red pill.

Anyway, I think the reason they haven't released much of the evidence is purely based on Bush's style. He prefers to keep things internal and has issues with making things public too soon. There may be things they can't fully understand yet and don't want to release it with no explinations. Or maybe it's just that he knows no matter what information is released the conspiracy theorists will misinterpret and misrepresent it to get their point across. Just look how all the information that is public has been turned around to point at him somehow. It wouldn't stop the conspiracy theories to release the information, the theories would just change. It's also possible that the information is of such a nature that it would likely cause a panic. There are plenty of possible reasons not to release it because we really have no idea what it says. Then again, maybe it is incriminating. Theres really no way to know at this point.

Catherine, you swim in the sea of society. Leave society and its beliefs to see the Truth. *There is* no other way.

 

How very odd that people can watch the entire tragic event unfold, yet totally dismiss what they saw with their own eyes.

How very odd that people can watch the entire tragic event unfold, yet totally dismiss what they saw with their own eyes.

Sorry you lost me. It's not what people saw in question here. It's can what we witnessed be attributed to the official explanation.

Well, for one thing, I saw the video of the buildings falling more times than I can remember, and never saw the lower floors collapse from the weight of the floors above. the whole structure collapsed almost simultaneously. That's what makes people think the building was brought down. (That and WTC7, which was never struck but also collapsed.)

Well, for one thing, I saw the video of the buildings falling more times than I can remember, and never saw the lower floors collapse from the weight of the floors above. the whole structure collapsed almost simultaneously. That's what makes people think the building was brought down. (That and WTC7, which was never struck but also collapsed.)

I'm having a hard time envisioning the physical mechanism that would allow each floor to act independent of the floors beneath it.  They are connected by steel beams; a vertical blow to the 60th floor would be transmitted almost simultaneously to the basement.  (Not unlike driving nails with a hammer.)

For each floor to collapse in a domino fashion, you would need to have a compression mechanism -- a shock absorber or spring -- that would momentarily store the energy of falling floors before transmitting it to the next floor down.

But that's the explanation we're given for the collapse. According to the official story,
1) an airplane impact weakened each structure
2) an intense fire thermally weakened structural components that may have suffered damage to fireproofing materials, causing buckling failures, which, in turn,
3) allowed the upper floors to pancake onto the floors below.

But the entire building dropped all at once. Why would the lower floors collapse at the same time as the upper floors?

Here are some interesting sites on the topic:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/9-11_wtc_videos.html
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/reynolds/reynolds12.html

But that's the explanation we're given for the collapse. According to the official story,
1) an airplane impact weakened each structure
2) an intense fire thermally weakened structural components that may have suffered damage to fireproofing materials, causing buckling failures, which, in turn,
3) allowed the upper floors to pancake onto the floors below.

It sounds like you are discussing WTC 1 and 2.

But the entire building dropped all at once. Why would the lower floors collapse at the same time as the upper floors?

the Twin Towers, hit by the airplanes did NOT collapse all at once. Every video shows the top floors collapsing onto the floor beneath it. I read a piece a while back where this approached freefall speeds. Each collapse started where the airplanes impacted.

If you are discussing WTC 7, that collaped for a different reason. Due to the proximity to WTC 1 and 2, the falling debris damaged parts of the building , then when the towers collapsed, the debris pile also further damaged the lower floors. The falling towers had created a massive Pile Driver effect that damaged the foundations of several buildings around the WTC. With the damaged foundation, a fire, and external damage the building just "died". It collaped from the ground up as that is where the most damage and stress was.

Here are some interesting sites on the topic:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/9-11_wtc_videos.html
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/reynolds/reynolds12.html

Not really. They are all conspiracy sites imagining the worst. If there had been a plan to destroy the towers, any explosive charges would have been seen. They didn't need to be good pilots, only sufficient to fly the planes into a building.

Great post.

Conspiracy sites may have a bias but they do present interesting scenarios that are not easily explained away. Such as WTC 1 which was struck after WTC 2, substained less damage than WTC 2 but collapsed first.

The velocity of the collapse in WTC 1 and 2 did not  approach free fall speeds it equaled it.

Neither the planes or falling debris struck WTC 7. The fire and a reportred 25% structural damage was insufficient to bring WTC 7 down according to a fire fighter interviewed by ABC News the evening of 9/11.

The presence of Thermite detected in the rubble.

Transcripts of all the communications of the emergency workers in the towers were sealed. Even those that did not involve people who lost their lives.

The fact up until 9/11 no building had ever collapsed, anywhere in the world, as a result of fire. Not to mention collapse so perfectly.

And my pet peeve. The disposal of the debris from a site designated as a crime scene to an over seas location.

Conspiracy or not I would like to see explanations to these unusual coincidences.

It isn't perfectly in line with the discussion...but I was pretty disturbed by the calls people made (or were said to have made) from the planes...read the transcripts that were released in the recent court records...the calls are stiff and awkward..."Hello mom, this is Mark Bingham"...do you ever need to tell your mother your last name?  The others were equally odd...with perfectly expressed summaries of what was happening...including some really weird "takes" on what was going on...it just didn't seem natural or how I'd expect people to be...but, who the hell knows for sure how people would be...I just think that, among the anomalies, the tone and content of those calls seem pretty convenient...in a conspiracy-minded kinda way.

Conspiracy sites may have a bias but they do present interesting scenarios that are not easily explained away. Such as WTC 1 which was struck after WTC 2, substained less damage than WTC 2 but collapsed first.

The velocity of the collapse in WTC 1 and 2 did not  approach free fall speeds it equaled it.

Neither the planes or falling debris struck WTC 7. The fire and a reportred 25% structural damage was insufficient to bring WTC 7 down according to a fire fighter interviewed by ABC News the evening of 9/11.

The presence of Thermite detected in the rubble.



Transcripts of all the communications of the emergency workers in the towers were sealed. Even those that did not involve people who lost their lives.

The fact up until 9/11 no building had ever collapsed, anywhere in the world, as a result of fire. Not to mention collapse so perfectly.

And my pet peeve. The disposal of the debris from a site designated as a crime scene to an over seas location.

Conspiracy or not I would like to see explanations to these unusual coincidences.

First, the debris was moved to New Jersey where it was sorted through by FBI and forensic scientists looking for evidence, bodies, body parts, and personal objects. I know a section of structural steel made its way to a city near us for use as a monument. I don't know what happened to the rest. But each truck load of debris was signed for and there were arrests when the truckers tried to sell the debris for scrap. There was also a reprimand to a high ranking FBI agent for displaying a "souvenir" from 9/11 on his desk. It was later returned to its owner.

WTC 2 might have been hit second, but it was at a higher speed and was a 767. WTC 1 was hit by a 757, a smaller plane. Because the remains were so distorted by the resulting fire, the actual damage can only be estimated. The fires were not from the jet fuel. That burns at too low a temperature. The high heat was caused by the combustibles inside the offices, including furniture, carpets, paper, etc.

The collapse of the towers approached freefall because of the minimal resistance beneath it. But because there was some resistance, free fall was not attained.

WTC 7 was hit by falling debris from both towers. The debris field was several blocks in area. The collapse of the towers caused a massive pile driver effect that undermined and cracked the foundation and ground floors of WTC 7.

As for the firefighter interviewed on ABC, I don't think he is a structural engineer.

I am unaware of any "thermite" being found among the debris. Who found it? The FBI is notorious for keeping evidence like that secret and they were in charge of removing the debris.