If a level of mathmatics can explain the universe... and we can not comprehend it, how could that be possible if mathmatics is somthing we invented? (Or somthing we've created to calculate things to keep track of somthing not tangible)

Math isnt tangible i ment*

Are you serious?

Math was invented so we can discover and prove the laws of nature.

Are you saying that if calculus was not invented then the area under a curve would not exist?

I think that the area under a curve didnt exist until somebody needed to measure such a thing. When man became man, math didnt exist because they didnt need it. This may also be the same with time. Time didnt exist until man needed it to exist, so they could have a schedule.

So 2+2 = 4 unless we need to equal something else? Math is simply a language, a construct if you will,  that is used to explain the forces around us. The forces still exist whether you are able to express them or not. Example, v=d/t is merely  the expression of the velocity of an object, without knowledge of this formula the velocity would remain the same. If at a high velocity it would hurt just as much slamming into your head whether you believed in the math constructs' manmade nature or not.

I think that the area under a curve didn't exist until somebody needed to measure such a thing. When man became man, math didn't exist because they didn't need it. This may also be the same with time. Time didn't exist until man needed it to exist, so they could have a schedule.

Is like saying gravity didn't exist until Newtonion physics started it's explanation. This is the Wil E. Coyote theory of the nature of the Universe.

Well if the Earth was made by some BS math equation that we cant understand. Then how do we know 2+2=4 then? If you cant explain the equation to the people that invented it, and use the math then theres no way it could have just happened by chance by something we cant understand. The odds of a creater are superiorly greater than evolution.

Here are some statistics:
    Did you know if we where inches closer or farther to the sun we would are get barbequed or freeze? The odds alone of that is quite great.
    Even for the simplest bacteria needs protein for life. Which is required by 482 proteins. The odds of all those protiens forming: are 1/10 to the power of 160000 which equals... Infinity. So many zeros theres no way anyone could illustrate them. Besides.... wouldnt you feal better knowing you where created in Gods image and that you didnt evolve from some ape that God also created.

But if theres a creater, simple: God creates the Earth, theres no math formular for that, its as simple as that. Its in the First Verses of the Bible. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth." Billions of people followed the Bible. But in modern times people want to create there own gods and believe what they want.

If you want more evidence God exists read Revelation the last chapter of the Bible. That talks about how great disasters happen in the end times. And as anybody can realize is that disasters are on the rise... crime goes up.... teen pregnances, suicide, murder, burglery. Record hurricanes, tsunamis, Earthquakes... and any day now of course the "mark of the beast." The mark of which buying and selling is done with. The evidence is there.

Not following God is like being on a plane... the pilot walks up to you and tells you to put on this parachute. Because minutes from now the plane will crash and you'll be jumping thousands of feet. You put it on... then you realize it may feel uncomfortable, and that other passengers look at you in a strange way, and discriminate you... and then you decide to take it off. But a man of God clenches to the parachute, he doesnt realize its uncorfortable, and that others discriminate him for wearing a parachute in a plane. For he knows that if he doesnt wear that parachute, death is near. But the people around him that decided to get comforable and do whatever they feal, and not put the parachute on, die because of it. Because they didnt put on the parachute of the Lord.
 
 

"Not following God is like being on a plane... the pilot walks up to you and tells you to put on this parachute. Because minutes from now the plane will crash and you'll be jumping thousands of feet. You put it on... then you realize it may feel uncomfortable, and that other passengers look at you in a strange way, and discriminate you... "

Unless of course the pilot is just screwing with your mind. Sort of like religion and absolute bible belief does to people who have not learned to reason.

Well if the Earth was made by some BS math equation that we cant understand. Then how do we know 2+2=4 then? If you cant explain the equation to the people that invented it, and use the math then theres no way it could have just happened by chance by something we cant understand. The odds of a creater are superiorly greater than evolution.

Here are some statistics:
    Did you know if we where inches closer or farther to the sun we would are get barbequed or freeze? The odds alone of that is quite great.
    Even for the simplest bacteria needs protein for life. Which is required by 482 proteins. The odds of all those protiens forming: are 1/10 to the power of 160000 which equals... Infinity. So many zeros theres no way anyone could illustrate them. Besides.... wouldnt you feal better knowing you where created in Gods image and that you didnt evolve from some ape that God also created.

But if theres a creater, simple: God creates the Earth, theres no math formular for that, its as simple as that. Its in the First Verses of the Bible. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth." Billions of people followed the Bible. But in modern times people want to create there own gods and believe what they want.

If you want more evidence God exists read Revelation the last chapter of the Bible. That talks about how great disasters happen in the end times. And as anybody can realize is that disasters are on the rise... crime goes up.... teen pregnances, suicide, murder, burglery. Record hurricanes, tsunamis, Earthquakes... and any day now of course the "mark of the beast." The mark of which buying and selling is done with. The evidence is there.

Not following God is like being on a plane... the pilot walks up to you and tells you to put on this parachute. Because minutes from now the plane will crash and you'll be jumping thousands of feet. You put it on... then you realize it may feel uncomfortable, and that other passengers look at you in a strange way, and discriminate you... and then you decide to take it off. But a man of God clenches to the parachute, he doesnt realize its uncorfortable, and that others discriminate him for wearing a parachute in a plane. For he knows that if he doesnt wear that parachute, death is near. But the people around him that decided to get comforable and do whatever they feal, and not put the parachute on, die because of it. Because they didnt put on the parachute of the Lord.
 
 

If the earth was a few inches closer or further away from the sun then the life on this planet would be different. If the earth was colder then we would have evolved physically different as to tolerate the conditions. We would have more hair, thinker skin, different metabolism, etc. That's how it works.

I'll ignore the bible crap. We have already established that the bible can't be used as evidence because it too is in question.

I kinda feel sorry for people who can't even acknowledge science. It would be a boring and sheltered life for me not to gain at least a fundamental understanding of physical systems. I worry very much for the future of our country if it continues to turn it's back on science. Other counties can offer better college educations and are graduating more students. I doubt the USA is make it to it's 400 birthday. Religious fanaticism will somehow tear it apart. Religion destroys.

Religion is perhaps part of our evolution. It's an effective check on overpopulation. 

The plane story was lame.

this sucks... Intellectual != Atheist... and Faith need not lead to idiocy...

Carl Sagan and Albert Einstein BOTH felt their research led to something greater than scientific understanding could fathom... but it didn't stop them.
And the bible is a nice bunch of semi-historical allegories... and the result of a meeting of catholic politicians, some 400 years after Christ died... 

Funny how when facts are shoved into Julieb's face he/she continues to be arrogant and doesn't face them, what a stubborn son of a bitch. If your such a whiz at algebra and calculus then you would know Earth is impossible by chance! Cm on thats 1/10 "10" being to the 160,000 power are the odds of evolution. Thats probably equivalent to winning the lottery 10,000 times in a row literally.

Why do you ignore that? Odds of evolution are so thin that its impossible.

And Zepplin: If the Pilot is screwing with your mind? Dude, if he hands you a parachute and the plane crashes he obviously ain't screwing with your mind. Especially when the Pilot controls the Plane and knows when it will crash.... because Earth cant go on forever.  Natural resources continue to deplete, and a biggie is having the Earth over populate and having everybody killing each other in the next decades or so. The Earth is as fragile as an elegant vase.

Funny how when facts are shoved into Julieb's face he/she continues to be arrogant and doesn't face them, what a stubborn son of a bitch. If your such a whiz at algebra and calculus then you would know Earth is impossible by chance! Cm on thats 1/10 "10" being to the 160,000 power are the odds of evolution. Thats probably equivalent to winning the lottery 10,000 times in a row literally.

Why do you ignore that? Odds of evolution are so thin that its impossible.

And Zepplin: If the Pilot is screwing with your mind? Dude, if he hands you a parachute and the plane crashes he obviously ain't screwing with your mind. Especially when the Pilot controls the Plane and knows when it will crash.... because Earth cant go on forever.  Natural resources continue to deplete, and a biggie is having the Earth over populate and having everybody killing each other in the next decades or so. The Earth is as fragile as an elegant vase.

A specious argument at best. If the pilot knows when and where the plane will crash and he hands only *you* a parachute that's some pretty twisted shit. Sounds like murder to me as in fact it was with when an Egyption Airlines pilot decided to do that very thing. For his faith of course.

Over population is a myth. Only urban centers are over populated. There is plenty of land available to spread out. Only mans desire to cluster for economic reasons causes over population in cities. Evolution is more than just how a species physically changes. It's also how species adapt to change such as depleting natural resources. As we foolishly use up one natural resource man discovers a new means to replace it. He/she does not pray for it. He/she does something about it.

I'm not sure about your math when it pertains to earths distance from the sun but it's flawed. The earths orbit is not spherical, it's elliptical. The distance to the sun varies although predictably. Life has survived numerous severe climate changes. It may be arrogant to think man can survive all of them but life in general will survive. Googling catastrophic climate change and origins of life on Earth I found references to the necessary distance from the sun to produce and maintain oxygen and the processes needed to maintain it. The Earth would need to be approximately 35000 miles nearer or further from the sun, give or take, to prevent the production of oxygen/nitrogen.

As for people killing each other over the next ten years or so it will have nothing to do with depleting resources. It will be because of differing religious beliefs.

Funny how when facts are shoved into Julieb's face he/she continues to be arrogant and doesn't face them, what a stubborn son of a bitch. If your such a whiz at algebra and calculus then you would know Earth is impossible by chance! Cm on thats 1/10 "10" being to the 160,000 power are the odds of evolution. Thats probably equivalent to winning the lottery 10,000 times in a row literally.

Why do you ignore that? Odds of evolution are so thin that its impossible.

And Zepplin: If the Pilot is screwing with your mind? Dude, if he hands you a parachute and the plane crashes he obviously ain't screwing with your mind. Especially when the Pilot controls the Plane and knows when it will crash.... because Earth cant go on forever.  Natural resources continue to deplete, and a biggie is having the Earth over populate and having everybody killing each other in the next decades or so. The Earth is as fragile as an elegant vase.

Do you have ANY evidence of that?

Why do you have to resort to personal insults? Is that all you have?

As for your great lesson is statistics let me share with you the quote of Professor Tangent.

"Consider any specific individual (such as yourself), who, out of all the billions of possible parents, had 2 specific parents. Out of all the possible birth dates and times, this individual was born on a specific day at a specific time. This individual has a specific hair and eye color, a specific height, and other specific physical and mental characteristics. What are the odds of all these things occurring together to make this unique individual? Impossibly small? Does this individual therefore not exist? Probability doesn't apply "backwards". We could look forward and ask "what is the probability of another identical individual", but looking backwards, we can only observe that those particular parents wanted a child and got one who happened to be like that.

It's also important to fully understand the field of possibilities. If you would flip a coin 1000 times, you would probably conclude that the odds of getting 1000 heads is impossibly small. Suppose you flip the coin 100,000,000 times. The odds of 1000 consecutive heads get better. Now imagine 100,000,000 people each flipping a coin 100,000,000 times. The odds get better still. What about 100,000,000 universes, each with 100,000,000 planets, each with 100,000,000 people each flipping a coin 100,000,000 times. Now would you bet for or against 1000 consecutive heads?

With evolution, we don't really know how many trials occurred before a specific critter happened to turn out the way that it is today."

Do you exist?

BTW, the earth is NOT as fragile as an elegant vase. lol

The earth have been around for billions of years and will be around a billion more. It's earth's residents who are fragile. I bet your one of those people that think that dinosaurs lived only 5000 years ago.

First, sorry for the insult... (i just feel like choking you until you realize what I'm about to say)

Your first story doesn't make sense. The one with flipping a coin, kinda does but you need a better story. When I use "stories" there always clear and make sense, so work on that.

Yes, the Earth is fragile, or at least the life on it anyways. But we have enough atomic bombs in the air forces arsenal alone to destroy the Earth.

Obviously you cant see that if theres nothing, that something cant just be evolved if it had nothing there in the first place.

And considering that it takes 1 bacteria cell a 1/10 to the 160,000 power to be made. Consider the odds of other materials, humans, animals, air, water, sand, trees, plants, planets, space, etcetera to infinity. How could that all have happened by a "big bang" when there was nothing there in the first place to start a big bang but God? (not that I'm saying God created the Earth with a bang and the Earth was the size as a pea or w/e you people think)

I have solid evidence God exists. You fail to give me solid evidence that the Earth can evolve from nothing. If you could at least prove the Earth could have been from a bang or w/e then say it. Because you haven't done much to prove your point yet.

1 last thing.... If you take a scientist and put him in a room, and tell him to create something, well he cant, because all we can do in the Earths realm is "re arrange" things but we cannot create, but nothing in the universe can be created without a Creater... God of course. Doesn't it sound logical that Earth has to come from a Creator and that it cant be evolved from nothing in the first place? That alone is well proof.

Heres another example of why evolution is false, If you tried to convince me that my house evolved million of years ago from a single bacteria cell... you would probably be in a mental hospital. or even if you tried to say that same thing with a car or a human.

Heres how I picture evolution....   

Think of a white space... nothing there, its all clear all you see is white... just like a white space, and then all the sudden out of no where bang!  but of course there was nothing there in the first place, so how could there have been a "bang" when there was nothing there? This time answer ALL of my questions and don't answer just the ones you like. lol

Heres how I picture evolution....   

Think of a white space... nothing there, its all clear all you see is white... just like a white space, and then all the sudden out of no where bang!  but of course there was nothing there in the first place, so how could there have been a "bang" when there was nothing there? This time answer ALL of my questions and don't answer just the ones you like. lol

That's not what evolution is... evolution does not seek to answer where things come from in the first place.  Evolution shows how systems (in Darwin's case, life) changes over time because of how the system replicates itself.

A planet can not evolve, a star can not evolve, an individual does not evolve.  Not in the biological sense of the term, which is what the theory of evolution is all about.

Also, it doesn't make sense to visualize the big bang from outside the singularity, that doesn't make sense by definition.  If there's white space, then there's something.  The big bang theory says that space itself is created by the bang.  Before the bang, there is no space to be in.  How could there be a bang?  Nobody knows.  Nobody knows what gravity is really all about either, but that doesn't mean God is pushing everything down (Intelligent Falling theory).

Yes, the Earth is fragile, or at least the life on it anyways. But we have enough atomic bombs in the air forces arsenal alone to destroy the Earth.

Maybe to destroy all human life on Earth, but we can't destroy the entire planet.  We probably couldn't kill all bacteria either.  There are even some bacteria that can survive extreme temperatures and radiation levels.