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Water Cooler / GMOTW - M. Scott / Re: Hydrogen: Still a battery; but easier to split from water now
« on: 08:18:40 AM »
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I see your point. It is loose thinking/writing by most of us that adds to this confusion. Then in the steel melting and other metallurgical processes, HEAT is used as a noun, meaning the sequentially numbered batch that has been melted, refined and cast![includes all ingots/billets plus rolled or forged pieces there of, from that batch with it's own unique chemical analysis signature!]
[also sexual arousal, too, but don't go there at this moment!]
One guess would be that many eons ago they dropped the word TRANSFER from the usage because it is an awkward combination to say /read! This is why English is so difficult to learn. How would this be stated in German, or Japanese, or even Latin? That might throw some comprehension into the mix!
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Water Cooler / GMOTW - M. Scott / Re: Hydrogen: Still a battery; but easier to split from water now
« on: 05:10:08 AM »
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Strangely, from that heat page, it seems to be OK to refer to a body as hot or cold, in and of itself. It just isn't OK to speak of heat without the concept of it being transferred from a warmer body to a cooler one. Odd.
Why? That is perfectly logical to me! Heat is a relative measure of the energy of molecular vibration level. A body at a given heat level placed in the vicinity of another body [sometimes in another phase], will change vibration level downward if that second body is of lower vibration level,[heat transfer]
eg. a Red hot steel bar inserted into icy cold water. The heat transfer causes a phase change in the water, in fact 2 phases, if the steel bar is big enough.
Molten slag poured out onto water at room temp. will cause the water to transform to steam, then disassociate into H2 and O2 but very quickly as it leaves the immediate vicinity will recombine into H2O. This entails another energy release that gets you instant attention, a double loud bang, ie. explosion then implosion! It knocks all the dust off the structural steel of the melt shop building and sends any pigeons into pure panic/flight, never mind the employees sudden wake up to their personal safety! |
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Water Cooler / GMOTW - M. Scott / Re: Hydrogen: Still a battery; but easier to split from water now
« on: 04:51:44 AM »
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Quote Scotty:
On my Sheldon thread, someone pointed out that heat is defined as transfer of energy. The heat reduction in the universe is not truly a transfer of heat, but rather a spreading of it over a larger area (diluting?). So, perhaps it is not truly even heat by the real definition of heat. Though, there is a temperature associated with it. Higher temperatures are generally considered hot, hence the term hot being used for the early universe. But, it may not be technically correct to use the word heat in such instances.
unquote.
My only quibble is with the use of the words larger area, which ought to be larger VOLUME, please!
I find it difficult to understand why we have not found some means of detecting any dimensions beyond the usual 4:
-the usual 3 axis x, y, z, and time!
-gravity is the best bet for resolving this, IMNSHO |
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Water Cooler / Tasteless or Not Tasteless / Re: hospitals AND CORPORATIONS..
« on: June 17, 2013, 11:37:12 AM »
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Happy Birthday... always better than the alternative. I don't recall getting drugs at my 50 yo baseline Colonoscopy. Mine was an office procedure. "Sounds like" it was not as invasive as yours? Maybe the American Docs know how to do one without ramming their scope against your intestine's walls?
That visit was the one after my General Physical where the Doc said he hardly ever finds anything wrong with someone without complaint of symptom. I asked if we could therefore skip the colonoscopy and he said that was up to me.... but we both knew my Boss required it. So...money in his pocket for an unneeded unwanted medical procedure. I feel like I was raped and violated!!!
The cost of American Hospitals is to cover the cost of treating the poor and all the standby services that are expensive and rarely used or are duplicative of the Hosptial cross town but is good for marketing.
.................just about everything in USA is a scam.
Should we make a list of anything that isn't?
Be warned, that Colo-rectal Cancer does not, I repeat DOES NOT have symptoms until it is so far advanced that it is inoperable. Now that you detail the procedure that your medical profession practices in your state, I would seriously think about getting a second opinion referral where they are more thorough. The College of Surgeons and Physicians of each Province regulates the practices and testing that is approved for use in each respective Cdn. Province, and are very rigorous in their supervisory capacity, which includes over sight into who gets licensed to practice! You might have the appropriate university degrees, but you then must complete an Internship, plus pass their exams. It is equivalent to lawyers passing the Bar Exams! I know for a fact that numerous American States have state of the art training, equipment, teaching, examinations, and medical supervisory-ships. But one thing stands out in my experience, is that a high percentage of Cdn. Doctors and Nurses that leave Canada for jobs in the USA, return to Canada within a few short years. It is not just that the Canada Health system is almost a guaranteed payer, but some of the working conditions and corporate culture just does not sit right with my fellow Canucks! I think it is a very basic difference of government/cultural philosophy. We believe in Canada that a universal health care system is vital to the strength and economy of our nation! Plus much Federal and Provincial tax money is invested in the training and equipping of our medical community! Sure we have our inequities, but our insurance plan goes a long way towards balancing the equal opportunity of enjoyment of life. And it carries over into our retirement, too! Seniors in most Provinces get their medications paid for by the Healthcare system to a degree, but they come with a dispensing fee which is variable from Nil to $3.11, $4.11 and or $6.12. As a diabetic, I literally cannot afford to move out of Ontario!
If someone emigrates to Canada, [not as a refugee, but normally to a job for an employer] that person will get full coverage after 3 months. Refugees are a different category, which maybe paid for on their behalf by the Gov't immediately they become landed immigrants. Could be that is why illegal immigrants are rare in Canada [if they know in advance of this!]. |
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Water Cooler / GMOTW - M. Scott / Re: Hydrogen: Still a battery; but easier to split from water now
« on: June 17, 2013, 10:58:20 AM »
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Cold = no work getting done.
Do people turn up the thermostat when entering your cubicle?
......I kid. I left it out of my scribbling, but seems more relevant now that "in the end" much of this Universe: Energy, Work all seem to be about Heat and that heat enthropically moving towards zero. And Heat I take is (circularly) just a measure of movement. I wonder how that plays out in chemical reactions? What is the "energy state" of an electron but its amount of movement? Taking on and giving off heat? Or is heat NOT taken on or given off but rather photons are which affects the amount of movement and therefor the heat? Heat not "a thing" but a measure?
I thought string theory predicted or is the basis for 17 dimensions....or something like that. And what is "nothing" if "things" pop into and out of existence within that nothing?
HEY---don't look at me, I'm just the piano player in this Monkey House.
Absolute Zero is more than just KOLD! And yes heat or cold is a relative measure of molecular vibration! So while you are in this Simian Domicile, keep tinkling on the ivories or move over the ovaries, and pull the string in theory on the phootons! ha ha ha! But the battery is causing 17 dimentias! But I can't jest git my head around the movement thing! |
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Water Cooler / Tasteless or Not Tasteless / Re: hospitals AND CORPORATIONS..
« on: June 17, 2013, 04:39:01 AM »
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ECA, to a Canadian your statement is so foreign, so incomprehendable it is totally from another World. I go to the doctor, he finds that I need a procedure in a hospital, I wait for the appointment to be made by his secretary. When the wait time/appointment is due, then I appear at the hospital, am booked in, and receive the procedure, am discharged, then return home to finish recuperating. At each step I have to present my Health Card. I never see a bill. [except in some cases which are only partly covered by this Health Care system]. It is not free health care in Canada, because it is payed for by part of the taxes collected: Income Tax, Federal and Provincial Harmonized Sales Taxes, Federal Customs Duties, Federal Excise Taxes, yada yada yada. Our doctors have an agreement with the Province as to what they are allowed to charge the Healthcare system, which they negotiate from time to time, but they are not allowed to practice outside of or charge more than the negotiated schedule. The hospitals are funded by the Provincial Healthcare system and are constantly screaming for more money, or closing beds/laying off nurses and support staff. Doctors occasionally threaten to strike. Nurses threaten to strike. Support staff threaten to strike, or any of these groups do actually strike for more money and benefits. Where We the People are is that it is unknown how many bureaucrats are sucking on this pipeline at all levels, or what is charged and paid out!
I have twice received a notice request from the Provincial Healthcare Audit Dept. asking if I received such and such procedure from a specified doctor on a specific date, but do not reply if you did! WTF is that kind of auditing?
For your amusement, 2 years ago I had my first ever and only colonoscopy [I am 73 years old today]. As I was awakening from that good drug Demerol, the specialist told me that he found nothing, and do not return for ten years! I asked, "if I am still alive, will you still be practicing!" Well at least he did not say I am a perfect perfect asshole if it wasn't for a couple of hemorrhoids! |
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Water Cooler / GMOTW - M. Scott / Re: Hydrogen: Still a battery; but easier to split from water now
« on: June 17, 2013, 04:08:50 AM »
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Hey!!! It took a lot of work and good will, but unless some interloper bounds in..... I think we can close this topic on a high note clouded with ambiguity and lack of clear definition. Always a good starting point for the next discussion.
Why run away from a very good thread?
Work is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_%28physics%29
The work done by a constant force of magnitude F on a point that moves a displacement d in the direction of the force is the product,
W = Fd.
For example, if a force of 10 newton (F = 10 N) acts along point that travels 2 metres (d = 2 m), then it does the work W = (10 N)(2 m) = 20 N m = 20 J. This is approximately the work done lifting a 1 kg weight from ground to over a person's head against the force of gravity. Notice that the work is doubled either by lifting twice the weight the same distance or by lifting the same weight twice the distance.
I would point out that this statement is incomplete, since it fails to qualify that this is valid only at the surface of the Earth, and not valid at high altitudes or outer space! Hence there is a gravity factor missing from this equation!
Over to your space(s)! |
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Water Cooler / GMOTW - M. Scott / Re: Hydrogen: Still a battery; but easier to split from water now
« on: June 16, 2013, 06:19:01 PM »
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Define winning.
Hmmm.... not enough words.
I thought Obtuser identified the energy of the sun comes from the fusion of hydrogen into Helium? Or maybe not that expressly but under the Big Bang theory wasn't Hydrogen the first and only "stuff" of the Universe? Gravity drew Hydrogen together and formed suns where Helium was produced and so forth?
Seems to me Hyrdrogen is the basic energy source of the Universe.
I guess it depends on how you define a "source." Or in your case, the expense of creating a source (sic) to be used at other times and places, or how polluting it is.
But, I dither. What is energy anyway?
Bobobo, you assume too much, too often!
How could we know what preceded the Big Bang? Maybe the Big Crunch? If so, then what Elemental Atoms were present?
Energy : [try this on for size and fit]
E = mc^2 !
Remember that little formula from Albert Einstein? It means that Energy [a quantity] is equal to Mass times the square of the Speed of Light!
This is what Wiki has:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy
In short, we don't know what energy is, but a total lack of energy is an extremely cold place!
Take light energy for an example, it can be described as photons or packets of energy that have wave properties and particle properties! And that these can alternate at extremely frequent intervals! This is difficult to wrap your mind around, for sure!
Now add this write up to your comprehension:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass%E2%80%93energy_equivalence
I am Boggled by Google, aren't you? |
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Water Cooler / GMOTW - M. Scott / Re: Hydrogen: Still a battery; but easier to split from water now
« on: June 16, 2013, 12:17:00 PM »
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Boobob, you are only partially correct. Energy is not burned or used up, but it is converted from one type to another. Thermal energy to mechanical energy, or electrical energy, etc.
Likewise Fuels are not used up, but are converted from one Elemental state or Compound to another Compounded state of a lower energy level while the excess energy is extracted, or harnessed during this process. NO ENERGY is CREATED or Destroyed! It is already there and remains there afterwards, but in different forms and levels. This has to be so if the Laws of Conservation of Mass and Energy are valid, and they are! Plus the two laws are inter related.They cannot be separated, either, to remain functional. To discuss the topic intelligently, one should be talking in terms of the total accounting balance of in put versus out put, and include all of the undesirables like friction, radiation both convection and radiant waves, which form some of the inherent undesirable losses! This is the job of engineers and scientists, not kibitzers on fora !!!
Another problem is the classic use of words which varies from area to area in this wide continent. Did you mean condenser when using the term accumulator, or was it a storage reservoir, bottle/tank? This brings in the dialect aspect of discussions. Word usage from one part of the continent to another does vary considerably. A classic is the word bluff as an noun. To me is is a clump of Aspen Poplars on a hillside, but most of the rest of N. America think of it as a cliff! It also marks me as having grown up West of Saskatoon and East of Edmonton, where this is the normal usage of Bluff!
Definition is only part of the problem in any discussion, as dialect can and often does play a part, too!
Just for the record, this is the main means of producing Hydrogen, and it is not all electrolysis!:
Production
For more details on this topic, see Hydrogen production.
H2 is produced in chemistry and biology laboratories, often as a by-product of other reactions; in industry for the hydrogenation of unsaturated substrates; and in nature as a means of expelling reducing equivalents in biochemical reactions.
Laboratory
In the laboratory, H2 is usually prepared by the reaction of dilute non-oxidizing acids on some reactive metals such as zinc with Kipp's apparatus.
Zn + 2 H+
→ Zn2+
+ H
2
Aluminium can also produce H
2 upon treatment with bases:
2 Al + 6 H
2O + 2 OH−
→ 2 Al(OH)−
4 + 3 H
2
The electrolysis of water is a simple method of producing hydrogen. A low voltage current is run through the water, and gaseous oxygen forms at the anode while gaseous hydrogen forms at the cathode. Typically the cathode is made from platinum or another inert metal when producing hydrogen for storage. If, however, the gas is to be burnt on site, oxygen is desirable to assist the combustion, and so both electrodes would be made from inert metals. (Iron, for instance, would oxidize, and thus decrease the amount of oxygen given off.) The theoretical maximum efficiency (electricity used vs. energetic value of hydrogen produced) is in the range 80–94%.[73]
2 H
2O(l) → 2 H
2(g) + O
2(g)
In 2007, it was discovered that an alloy of aluminium and gallium in pellet form added to water could be used to generate hydrogen. The process also creates alumina, but the expensive gallium, which prevents the formation of an oxide skin on the pellets, can be re-used. This has important potential implications for a hydrogen economy, as hydrogen can be produced on-site and does not need to be transported.[74]
Industrial
Main article: Hydrogen production
Hydrogen can be prepared in several different ways, but economically the most important processes involve removal of hydrogen from hydrocarbons. Commercial bulk hydrogen is usually produced by the steam reforming of natural gas.[75] At high temperatures (1000–1400 K, 700–1100 °C or 1300–2000 °F), steam (water vapor) reacts with methane to yield carbon monoxide and H
2.
CH
4 + H
2O → CO + 3 H
2
This reaction is favored at low pressures but is nonetheless conducted at high pressures (2.0 MPa, 20 atm or 600 inHg). This is because high-pressure H
2 is the most marketable product and Pressure Swing Adsorption (PSA) purification systems work better at higher pressures. The product mixture is known as "synthesis gas" because it is often used directly for the production of methanol and related compounds. Hydrocarbons other than methane can be used to produce synthesis gas with varying product ratios. One of the many complications to this highly optimized technology is the formation of coke or carbon:
CH
4 → C + 2 H2
Consequently, steam reforming typically employs an excess of H
2O. Additional hydrogen can be recovered from the steam by use of carbon monoxide through the water gas shift reaction, especially with an iron oxide catalyst. This reaction is also a common industrial source of carbon dioxide:[75]
CO + H
2O → CO
2 + H
2
Other important methods for H
2 production include partial oxidation of hydrocarbons:[76]
2 CH
4 + O
2 → 2 CO + 4 H
2
and the coal reaction, which can serve as a prelude to the shift reaction above:[75]
C + H
2O → CO + H
2
Hydrogen is sometimes produced and consumed in the same industrial process, without being separated. In the Haber process for the production of ammonia, hydrogen is generated from natural gas.[77] Electrolysis of brine to yield chlorine also produces hydrogen as a co-product.[78]
Thermochemical
There are more than 200 thermochemical cycles which can be used for water splitting, around a dozen of these cycles such as the iron oxide cycle, cerium(IV) oxide-cerium(III) oxide cycle, zinc zinc-oxide cycle, sulfur-iodine cycle, copper-chlorine cycle and hybrid sulfur cycle are under research and in testing phase to produce hydrogen and oxygen from water and heat without using electricity.[79] A number of laboratories (including in France, Germany, Greece, Japan, and the USA) are developing thermochemical methods to produce hydrogen from solar energy and water.[80]
Anaerobic corrosion
Under anaerobic conditions, iron and steel alloys are slowly oxidized by the protons of water concomitantly reduced in molecular hydrogen (H2). The anaerobic corrosion of iron leads first to the formation of ferrous hydroxide (green rust) and can be described by the following reaction:
Fe + 2 H2O → Fe(OH)2 + H2
In its turn, under anaerobic conditions, the ferrous hydroxide (Fe(OH)2 ) can be oxidized by the protons of water to form magnetite and molecular hydrogen. This process is described by the Schikorr reaction:
3 Fe(OH)2 → Fe3O4 + 2 H2O + H2
ferrous hydroxide → magnetite + water + hydrogen
The well crystallized magnetite (Fe3O4) is thermodynamically more stable than the ferrous hydroxide (Fe(OH)2 ).
This process occurs during the anaerobic corrosion of iron and steel in oxygen-free groundwater and in reducing soils below the water table.
Geological occurrence: the serpentinization reaction
In the absence of atmospheric oxygen (O2), in deep geological conditions prevailing far away from Earth atmosphere, hydrogen (H2) is produced during the process of serpentinization by the anaerobic oxidation by the water protons (H+) of the ferrous (Fe2+) silicate present in the crystal lattice of the fayalite (Fe2SiO4, the olivine iron-endmember). The corresponding reaction leading to the formation of magnetite (Fe3O4), quartz (SiO2) and hydrogen (H2) is the following:
3 Fe2SiO4 + 2 H2O → 2 Fe3O4 + 3 SiO2 + 3 H2
fayalite + water → magnetite + quartz + hydrogen
This reaction closely resembles the Schikorr reaction observed in the anaerobic oxidation of the ferrous hydroxide in contact with water.
Formation in transformers
From all the fault gases formed in power transformers, hydrogen is the most common and is generated under most fault conditions; thus, formation of hydrogen is an early indication of serious problems in the transformer's life cycle.[81]
If this does not confuse you and the gallery, please read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen
Happy Fathers Day! |
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Water Cooler / GMOTW - M. Scott / Re: Hydrogen: Still a battery; but easier to split from water now
« on: June 15, 2013, 08:54:15 PM »
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An important word has been omitted several of the posts here in. ECONOMIC! HYdrogen is a source of energy when it is oxidized by one or more of many other Elements or chemical radicals, BUT it remains UNECONOMIC due to the greater amount of energy required to reduce the Hydrogen to the molecular pure gas. But if Hydrogen is produced using the "FREE" energy from the Sun, then it does become an economically viable source of energy. This is assuming that the capital investment in the infrastructure to produce H2 is significantly less than that of the whopping big bucks used in the Nuclear Industry which produces massive quantities of Mega Watts!
An aside here. Hydrogen is produced in quantity for use in the following:
-all the huge electrical generator rotors in both Nuclear and Thermal fired power plants are bathed in H2 in an enclosed circuit
-oil refineries use H2 in some of the chemical steps to make gasoline from heavier oil molecules
-food oils get Hydrogenated to make them fully unsaturated
-[probably some other uses I am not aware of, too!
So where does it come from? It is hauled in cryogenic tankers on the expressways everyday. Those loads are very dangerous, and they are generally hauled using a pair of drivers as a team that spell one another off. Those guys are very carefully selected, and are known out of the big road as the cream of the crop when it comes to safety and professionalism!
This is a good read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen
but I still can't find the UNC number that goes with the Red Flammable Gas Placard! |
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Fight Club / Bare Knuckle Boxing / Re: Sucks to be poor in America--worse when female, worse when black, ........ etc
« on: June 15, 2013, 12:53:54 PM »
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Obtuser--thanks. I agree with all you post and only emphasize:
1. As an option only--those who choose permanent welfare class in dire poverty with dirt floors WHEN they have an alternative to them really should stew in their own juices. Don't like living on the RES==then move. Ohhh, I'm discriminated off the RES. Yes, thats unfair. Still the choice is yours.
2. I doubt Native Clans (In America anyway) are growing except when they offer some advantage not found off the RES--as you say, mostly gambling. But being allowed to gamble on the RES when not allowed to off the RES is exactly what I disagree with. "We" are all Americans, and should be treated the same. How can we all be treated and viewed as the same, if we are treated differently? ...................... But Natives are not "Americans" per se as they were here first.====> Its definitional, and legal. Treaties are just a way to screw over the enemy that are convenient only for a few years then as we see all over the world, they become hindrances to our common humanity.
We are all the same and should be treated as such. Anything other than: "One World, One Humanity" is an artifact of history, hubrus, greed, our lowest instincts, etc==and should be worked against.
Don't thank me for reflecting what I know or believe to be the truth. Some of what you say is not valid, because this is a transborder problem with more facets than you understand. I and any other HOMO STUPIDOUS born North of the 49th are Canadians regardless of status treaty, non treaty or non indigenous! That appparently is not the case in Ameria, especially if you are an Arapaho, who have not signed a treaty, and maintain that they are a separate independent nation. [This has it analogous Canadian situation on Manitoulin Island in Georgian Bay of Lake Huron, where 2/3 of the Island has not been surrendered! Plus much of Canada's Arctic, but we still accept them as being Canadian!]
What I was also referring to is that there is the economic incentive to remain on the Res. If they move in to the city, adopt mainstream clothing, haircuts, accents, they become mistaken for Italian, Ukrainian, Mulatto, or any other darker skinned peoples.
Some of the Mohawks have made a great living as high rise steel riveters /bolters in construction. They excel at that trade. I knew some who were transport drivers, and they tend to succeed at that, too! But it is the stereo types that are less resilient personalities who fail to adjust. Just like in baseball, if you keep throwing the same pitch, batters adjust and the ball gets hit out of the park! Life is about making adjustments!
There are very few casinos on reserves in Canada! |
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Water Cooler / GMOTW - M. Scott / Re: Hydrogen: Still a battery; but easier to split from water now
« on: June 15, 2013, 12:09:16 PM »
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I too applaud the Hydrogen = Red and beg this forum not to devolve into discussing the definition of paint.
That said--who here is GUILTY of strongly stating an accumulation of hydrogen IS A BATTERY and then later stating it is not a battery... or vice versa?
I think months ago on one of the Green Earth threads, someone (me?) said it was understood by industry but not the public that HYDROGEN was NOT an energy source but rather a transport medium. Alll to the point that our technology today can't make an energy net positive process but again I think Obtusers point trumps all: the energy we consider a source was simply in a net negative way accumulated millions of years ago in a natural process. Lots of miscommunication encouraged by imprecise labels.
I want to say I think we all DO understand the subject better now even through our miasma of breast beating disagreement? Ha, ha. Can that be true???
Obtuser, our closest expert in the subject posted that a Hydrogen Fuel Cell was a Battery. Scotty, our best read wannabe posted that Hydrogen was still a battery. Then he says an accumulation of hydrogen is not an accumulation of hydrogen but rather is an accumulation of energy all the while saying that an accumulation of hydrogen is not an energy source because you can't make hyrogen cheaply. I can't imagine a more garbled state of misunderstanding. Wiki says a fuel cell is not a battery.
Take the test:
1. Is Hydrogen a Chemical? (no)
2. Is a Fuel Cell a Battery? (no)
3. Is Hydrogen a source of Energy (yes)
4. Does it take more energy to create Hydrogen than we get back when oxidizing it? (yes)
5. Does Hydrogen have an emission spectrum marked by a strong red presence? (yes)
6. Can you paint your house with Hydrogen or its Red Spectrum (no)
Can splicing and dicing an issue to its simplest yes/no components bring any clarity to an issue?
We shall see.
Well 4 out 6 ain't bad, Bob!
Elements are chemicals just like Molecules and Compounds, so # 1. has to be YES!
It is also an express to say that shining a light on some object, we bath or paint it in that color, so #6. is also YES, in that colloquial sense of the English word usage. Now you can paint this topic Black by turning off the computer! [Black is the absence of reflected light because it is all absorbed, hence it cannot be projected through a prism to"paint" an object!"] Any Objection? |
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Fight Club / Bare Knuckle Boxing / Re: Sucks to be poor in America--worse when female, worse when black, ........ etc
« on: June 14, 2013, 03:22:03 PM »
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Are "natives" anywhere "forced" to live on a reservation.... or is that only an option for those who see bare subsistence with no future a valuable cultural heritage instead of working for a living?
"Natives." /// An odious artifact of History. They should all be done away with asap.
While the Indigenous are not forced to live on the Reserve to which their Band is registered, there is an economic incentive for them to do so.
-all goods and services sold at their on Reserve stores are tax free
-they receive a government built house to live in, but are not allowed to modify or repair it.
-they get first crack at any jobs on the Reserve.
But off Reserve,
-they pay taxes on employment, housing, and some goods and services in some provinces and states. Saskatchewan did not used to collect sales tax from Natives, but my experience is 50+ years ago.
-they experience much discrimination off Reserve in employment, education, and socially.
-and the Health care system both on and off Reserve is less than it should be
One point to consider, is that their % of the population is increasing and they are starting to use their vote in elections! Stay tuned as they say in the news business! |
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Water Cooler / GMOTW - M. Scott / Re: Hydrogen: Still a battery; but easier to split from water now
« on: June 14, 2013, 03:05:46 PM »
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Bobbobooboo, quote: It won't paint my house red either. unquote.
Wrong again, one of the strongest spectral lines from Hydrogen is RED. So through a prism your house can be painted Red if you wish, and if it is appropriate for the district in which you live! But if it is afloat, then it is only appropriate if it is located on the right hand side returning to higher water [PORT SIDE!] |
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