I would like to say something Stupid here..

What happens to LOOSE SOIL..
Think about it.  please.
You place explosives in a hole, and Break loose all this soil and rock to release gas..
NOW you pump water into it..
wATER DONT sit IN SOIL..

: ECA  April 01, 2013, 08:22:49 PM

ya, we need a GOOD theologian..

how about this..
Are you saved, IF...
You goto church every day and give to the poor and help society ALL your life..
OR..
If you do it in your LAST DAYS..

That's loaded too. Saved is a very Christian concept. Judaism doesn't discuss the afterlife much. It's not clear whether Judaism supports the idea. There are just a few hints in the religion. Islam talks about paradise in the hereafter. I'm not sure the concept is salvation though. I don't know enough about Islam to say.

But, even if you assume salvation applies to all forms of Christianity and Islam, you still have less than half the world's population. So, asking are you saved if you do this or that still assumes that one believes in the concept of salvation. You've only covered 3.3 billion of the world's 7 billion. The rest are left saying no to your either or question.

And, I'm in that majority who say no.

The questions must be asked in some form of a flow chart. Perhaps the first question must be whether one believes that there are supernatural powers in the universe. This is a three valued answer: Yes, No, Don't know. After that, it gets harder.

I think it's a job for a philosopher rather than a theologian. The problem with theology is that since it starts with god in its very name, it begins with the assumption that one or more gods exist. The possibility that none exist, based on ... say ... all of the available evidence in the universe, does not enter their minds as a real possibility. It is only an idea to be disputed, never considered by theology.

: ECA  March 27, 2013, 01:13:04 AM

WHat does a corp do with pollutants??

I just found a new answer: use them to start earthquakes. Had you heard about this? I'll probably post the article on its own thread as well.

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/03/does-fracking-cause-earthquakes-wastewater-dewatering

: Mother Jones

The EPA classifies and regulates underground injection wells—some 700,000 and counting—based on what goes into them. There are six categories. Class VI wells sequester carbon dioxide; Class V wells store nonhazardous fluids; nuclear waste is stashed in Class IV wells; Class III wells are used in mining salt, uranium, copper, and sulfur; industrial chemicals get stored in Class I wells. Wastewater from oil and gas operations is discharged—typically by injecting it under pressure—into Class II wells.

This is very old news. There is historic evidence of Earthquakes in Wyoming that began after the oil companies began higher pumping [extraction] rates. Then when the newer methods were introduced using water and later fire flooding [injection techniques to re-pressurize the oil bearing strata] these anout using steam heat and high voltage electrodes. This silty brine cannot be released out on the surface as it "burns" the fauna and flora in the run off creeks. By laws passed by both provinces, this crappy water must be pumped back down wells drilled into strata which have similar salinity. This oil field sits on top of what is called a great salt lake or more correctly the vast beds of potash plus other salts underlying much of the Cdn. Prairies. Earthquakes are unheard of in this geographic area.
Hydraulic Fracturing is not always the bad boogie man it is made out to be. If used where the structure to be fractured is relatively deep under ground with sufficient impervious overburden rock strata, the fluids are contained, and then re-extracted to be trucked to disposal sites for chemical wastes. Shallow fields with porous and alluvial over burdens are not good candidates for "fracking" since the oil or gas released by the broken shale will leak out upwards and reduce the intended yield as well pollute pastures, creeks, farm fields, and water wells. In Saskatchewan, if an oil company pollutes a farmer's water well for his livestock and his family's drinking source, they are required by law to dig that farmer a new clean well and pipe the water to his buildings. This is from over 50 years ago when I was growing up there! Americans need to learn how to control their politicians and corporations better apparently!

Now, FireFox just froze for the first time on trying to refresh a website...Dvorak by coincidence this time.  I did upgrade Firefox a few days before upgrading Adobe.  Interaction?  Hmmm....I wonder if older versions of Firefox are archived for use by those who so prefer?  Go back 1-2 versions when it worked just fine?